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Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« on: September 29, 2011, 04:33:55 PM »
I am pretty sure this is acetobacter. Say it ain't so.

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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 04:51:43 PM »
It ain't so!









J/K..... ;D

Looks infected. To me.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 04:53:33 PM »
Wow.
Honestly, the outlook here doesn't look good to me.
How does it smell?

Sorry...but I could be wrong.  Cover it back up and let it work a few more days then take a small taste...that may tell the tale.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 05:18:51 PM »
Not getting my hopes up for this one.  :(
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 05:40:19 PM »
The smell was slightly acidic, but not particularly so for a porter. The taste was also very slightly tart, but it is hard to say if that was unusual or not, as I am not very good at discerning much from warm mucky uncarbonated nasty "first bit diverted from going into the keg" beer, and I was trying to taste acetic acid.

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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 07:12:28 PM »
Mold can usually be skimmed off the top, then rack the beer into a keg. If the beer tastes bad then dump it. This is caused by poor sanitation in most cases and/or you have a higher incidence of mold floating around in your brewery.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 10:23:07 PM »
Does it smell like vinegar?
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 11:33:58 PM »
I know it is hard to tell from the picture, but it isn't fuzzy like mold, it was more like a plasticine film that had some bubbles in it. It didn't smell like vinegar, just like dark beer.

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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 12:29:01 AM »
I've had some white flaky films that break up after the krausen has subsided and the beer's set for a few days, weeks even. If this is the case then the beer's fine. Steady your hand, focus and use a flash when posting this type of pic. Cause this looks like fuzzy bubbles. ???
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 04:45:37 AM »
Yep, hate to break it to you but that looks like acetobacter. Does the film have a waxy consistency? Have you seen any fruit flies around the fermenter? This is fruit fly season. I think I lost a batch 2 or 3 years in a row late sept/early oct. once. All in plastic buckets.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 04:56:46 AM »
I've seen this several times before.  In my experience it makes the beer taste like turpentine and dry as a bone.  Probably a dumper, unfortunately.  And for me, it's been caused by everything from poor sanitation to dry hopping to fruit flies.  Dang bacteria cling to hops and bugs and screw up your beer.  Nevertheless, it's a good idea tasting the beer and deciding if this is something you're willing to drink a lot of very fast before it gets any worse (which it probably will), or whether it's just a dumper.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 05:48:29 AM »
Yep, hate to break it to you but that looks like acetobacter. Does the film have a waxy consistency? Have you seen any fruit flies around the fermenter? This is fruit fly season. I think I lost a batch 2 or 3 years in a row late sept/early oct. once. All in plastic buckets.

Yeah, the fruit flies have been congregating like a Biblical plague around here  . . I had one carboy of Dubbel that may have succumbed to the hordes . . .
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 07:29:30 AM »
I've never had a fruit fly make it through a wet airlock in a carboy. With buckets the airlock doesn't matter, they can get through the seals (or their larvae can).
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 08:14:45 AM »
I've never had a fruit fly make it through a wet airlock in a carboy. With buckets the airlock doesn't matter, they can get through the seals (or their larvae can).

Exactamundo.  After brewing only in buckets for all of my 85+ batches, I have just purchased a glass carboy, and this was one of the reasons.
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Re: Please tell me this isn't what I think it is
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 10:01:16 AM »
I know it is hard to tell from the picture, but it isn't fuzzy like mold, it was more like a plasticine film that had some bubbles in it. It didn't smell like vinegar, just like dark beer.

Acetobactor likes to form a plastic like film over the surface of the beer. The picture doesn't show that. However, if it the beer is taking on an acetic aroma and has a vinegar-like flavor then it is an acetobactor infection for sure.
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