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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 02:57:38 PM »
South - here's a look at my IPA.

House IPA

12 gallons
OG 1.065 - 1.068
BU ~70

12 lbs Pils Malt
12 lbs Maris Otter
2 lbs Wheat
2 llbs cara vienne

1oz Magnum (14) @ 60
1oz Columbus (14) @ 20
2 oz Columbus (14) @ 10
2 oz Centennial (10.5) @ 10
2 oz Columbus @ 2
2 oz Centennial @ 2

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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2010, 03:04:07 PM »
Still don't get this fascination with black "IPAs"...

good stuff yo.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2010, 03:16:00 PM »
This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  ;) (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2010, 03:28:01 PM »
and whomever mentioned the imperial mild.....  my friend is working on one.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2010, 03:38:48 PM »
This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  ;) (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )

its kinda like jumbo shrimp.  which I also like...

I've only had 2, but the Stone one is simply divine. 
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2010, 04:13:04 PM »
This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  ;) (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )

Then it's not an IPA, it's a hoppy black ale.  And jumbo shrimp are still shrimp, they are still pretty small organisms.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »
the best thing about beer is the only limit is your imagination!
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2010, 05:46:42 PM »
deepsouth - it depends a lot on the AA (of course) but I generally use 12-15oz of hops (mostly C-hops, Simcoe and Amarillo - so mostly high alpha stuff) for a 12gal batch of IPA - 2-3 for dryhop, ~2 for bittering, 8-10 for <20 minutes, including flameout additions.

That sounds about right to me. I use ~6 oz for a 5 gal batch. About 1 oz at 60 min (~40 IBU), .5 oz at 20, 15, 10, and 5 min, 1.5 oz at 0, and 1.5 oz dry hop. comes out to 70-80 IBU or so for typical 8-12% AA hops.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 05:42:53 AM »
I'd question the use of oats but otherwise the recipe looks ok, maybe cut back the Crystal to 1/2 or 3/4 lb.

I use Brown malt in mine along with 15% Munich 2% Roasted and 1+% Carafa II or III


Still don't get this fascination with black "IPAs"...

Wow, very insightful
Do you have anything else to add?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 05:45:49 AM by babalu87 »
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 06:54:29 AM »
Yeah, I'm all about trying my hand a a Black IPA, or a Hoppy Black Ale, or whatever you want to call it. I'm fascinated with giving people a hard time about the name - however I wouldn't turn down a pint, that's for sure.  ;D

One thing I will say on the topic: IMO just making the color dark is not good enough for me. I want just a touch of roast character if I am going to call it a black IPA. I think the small addition of Black or Roasted Malt/Barley is a good idea.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2010, 06:59:47 AM »
Yeah, I'm all about trying my hand a a Black IPA, or a Hoppy Black Ale, or whatever you want to call it. I'm fascinated with giving people a hard time about the name - however I wouldn't turn down a pint, that's for sure.  ;D

One thing I will say on the topic: IMO just making the color dark is not good enough for me. I want just a touch of roast character if I am going to call it a black IPA. I think the small addition of Black or Roasted Malt/Barley is a good idea.

THIS

When I was making up the recipe I wanted dark AND roasty
I think the brown malt was key in mine as well.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2010, 07:21:27 AM »
I'd question the use of oats but otherwise the recipe looks ok, maybe cut back the Crystal to 1/2 or 3/4 lb.

I use Brown malt in mine along with 15% Munich 2% Roasted and 1+% Carafa II or III


so its really a Schwartzbier-IPA  or is it Baltic IPA ;D ;D  ::)

I agree with you Keith, and the Stone version has just the right amount of roastiness.  I would think that a decent amount of Carafa Special will get you there.

Interesting use of the brown malt - I will have to keep that in mind when I get around to making one of these.

Good discussion.
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2010, 07:34:54 AM »
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so its really a Schwartzbier-IPA  or is it Baltic IPA

Those would both require the use of a lager yeast  :P
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2010, 07:41:49 AM »
Those would both require the use of a lager yeast  :P

touche!  (though Baltic could be with ale yeast).

perhaps I should make one with 830 and call it an IndiaSchwartzbier to really screw with people!
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Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2010, 07:50:37 AM »
i looked at my hops yesterday and i have some odd ones i haven't tried yet...

zeus
apollo
citra....

maybe a good beer to try some of these as late hop additions in small-ish amounts?
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