Couple years ago I found a kit for a black french saison, I thought it looked interesting so I got it and brewed it. It used 3711 and also, which was very new, at least to me at the time, NZ Cascade hops in it. Well... I ended up giving it to a buddy who thought it was awesome. I just didnt like it. Nothing wrong with it, just didnt like the way it tasted... I've never used 3711 again. But something I just figured out earlier this week... I've been doing test smashs with NZ hops and finally got around to drinking the NZ cascade. I now know what I didnt like about it... the mix of that hop with the characters of that yeast just didn't blend well in my opinion. So it was pretty cool to figure out a combo I don't like... I may actually give that yeast a try again... with just a 'regular' saison recipe and 'traditional' hops...