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Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« on: February 13, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »
Based on the discussion we had here: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=486.0

I made an experiment where I brewed my Altbier with and w/o removal of the bitter Kraeusen gunk. To me the result is clear: I'll stick to Kraeusen removal for all beers since the one where the Kraeusen fell back has a very unpleasant finish for me.

Here is a write-up: Should the Kraeusen fall back into the beer?

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 07:06:40 AM »
Thanks Kai. Nice writeup.

Now as this is taken to the next level, the question arises, do all the different yeasts introduce different degrees of harshness from the braun hefe? 
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 07:16:07 AM »
Would I be able to spoon off the krausen, each day during heavy fermentation?
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 07:23:52 AM »
Would I be able to spoon off the krausen, each day during heavy fermentation?

I don't think it needs to be done each day. Removing it after the end of active fermentation  should suffice.

Now as this is taken to the next level, the question arises, do all the different yeasts introduce different degrees of harshness from the braun hefe? 

I don't think it has much to do with the particular yeast strains. But I could be wrong.

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 07:48:59 AM »
In your "convinced that the Kraeusen needs to be skimmed or blown of", I assume the "blown off" part refers to us carboy types.  How much headspace do you think it best to start with to get the correct amount of krausen blown off without blowing off too much other stuff (if that's possible)?  Since I usually do 5.5 gallons into the primary and I just got a six gallon Better Bottle, I think I'm probably good to go.
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 08:14:38 AM »
How much headspace do you think it best to start with to get the correct amount of krausen blown off without blowing off too much other stuff (if that's possible)? 

That seems to depends on the vigor of the fermentation. I have been using 5 gal carboys and would leave about 2 qt head space for lagers and maybe 3 qt for ales. 5.5. gal in a 6 gal better bottle should work. A lot of the gunk is not blown off exactly. It ends up sticking to the sides of the carboy or better bottle which also works in keeping it from falling back into the beer.

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 08:21:28 AM »
Edit: been fixed
« Last Edit: February 16, 2010, 12:49:35 PM by hokerer »
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 08:39:32 AM »
This is how the top of my Maibock looks on the 7th day after pitching:



I'll remove that brown stuff before I rack the beer to a keg sometime next week. As long as there is CO2 forming the Kraeusen won't fall back.

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2010, 08:55:38 AM »
I wonder if this would work to remove the gunk from the kreusen?

http://www.aleiens.com/video/top-cropping-yeast-from-a

I'll have to try that...

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 09:06:54 AM »
I wonder if this would work to remove the gunk from the kreusen?

http://www.aleiens.com/video/top-cropping-yeast-from-a

I'll have to try that...

Not unless the Kraeusen is allowed to reach the top and stick to the sides.

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 09:58:58 AM »
It's interesting that you mention that several people couldn't differentiate the samples. I tried this with a split batch of hefeweizen a couple years ago and couldn't tell the difference at all. I wonder if, whatever the bitter compound is, it's one of those flavors that's right around the taste threshold and only detectable by some people.
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 10:22:05 AM »
I appreciate your time and effort to do the experiment, Kai.  I've gotta say that your results remind me of several experimental results I've gotten....kinda inconclusive.  I think the bottom line is that if you feel it makes a difference, you should do it.
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 06:29:51 PM »
Very interesting and enlightening experiment Kai.

Nice work!  8)
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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 11:50:29 AM »
What is the best way to remove the Kraeusen from a carboy?

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Re: Kraeusen removal, what difference does it make
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 11:54:59 AM »
What is the best way to remove the Kraeusen from a carboy?

allow it to blow off.
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