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6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« on: July 02, 2014, 03:36:07 PM »
So I am wondering how important the 6 row is in a cap? Could I use NA pils malt? or NA pale malt in its place? isn't a lot of pils malt 6 row to start with?

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 03:40:18 PM »
I think you could use a 2 row brewers malt with no problem.
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 03:56:27 PM »
cool. I have that at home! and some liberty hops. I think I see a CAP in my future. what do you think of Magnum to bitter? too smooth? not sure I can get cluster organically.

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 04:10:53 PM »
If you are brewing for your self, no problem. It may not do well in competition without cluster, but then again ther are cluster haters, so it could do well. JZ didn't USD cluster in his recipe in BCS, consult that. Not near my copy for a while.
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 05:04:56 PM »
I use 2-Row, corn, and Liberty to make Pre-Pro Pilsner.   I use Cluster to bitter when I have it on hand, but Liberty works really well as dual-use hop in this beer style.  I prefer to use flaked maize because it is simpler to use.  However, I have been known to use corn grits, corn meal, or even corn starch and a double mash if I do not feel like making the trek to my LHBS. 
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 12:44:30 PM »
Flaked maize is out. unavailable in organic form. I'm leaning towards maize over rice because it seems like the more 'native american' of the options. I have access to polenta (large grind), medium coarse, or fine cornmeal, or masa (but I'm guessing I don't want that if for no other reason than it might mess up my mash pH).

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 01:57:45 PM »
Flaked maize is out. unavailable in organic form. I'm leaning towards maize over rice because it seems like the more 'native american' of the options. I have access to polenta (large grind), medium coarse, or fine cornmeal, or masa (but I'm guessing I don't want that if for no other reason than it might mess up my mash pH).

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 07:56:40 PM »
Here goes:

70% pale malt
30% cornmeal

~19 IBU sterling FW
~9 IBU Liberty FW
~4 IBU magnum at 60 minutes (just to round out the bitterness level)

7 grams each liberty and sterling at 0 minutes

pre boil the cornmeal and get it to target temp before mash in
mash at 67c for 60 minutes with 18 liters of water (counting the 4.5 liters in the corn meal)

ferment with ~200 ml fresh slurry of wlp830

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 04:22:17 AM »
I like to add a couple pounds of the malt in with the corn and mash it for 20 minutes at 154-ish before boiling.  I think it helps keep it from getting overly sticky.
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2014, 07:56:52 AM »
I like to add a couple pounds of the malt in with the corn and mash it for 20 minutes at 154-ish before boiling.  I think it helps keep it from getting overly sticky.

cool. I always wondered about the point of that first step in the cereal mash. I'll do that.

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2014, 08:42:36 AM »
Around here you can get organic Clusters in September by going to old mining ghost towns and picking them.  Nearly every old mining camp had a brewery, and most of them seem to have wild Cluster hops growing around the old buildings.

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2014, 09:06:35 AM »
Around here you can get organic Clusters in September by going to old mining ghost towns and picking them.  Nearly every old mining camp had a brewery, and most of them seem to have wild Cluster hops growing around the old buildings.


That is awesome. Jonathon, I wonder if you can find some out in the foothills?
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2014, 12:03:00 PM »
Around here you can get organic Clusters in September by going to old mining ghost towns and picking them.  Nearly every old mining camp had a brewery, and most of them seem to have wild Cluster hops growing around the old buildings.


That is awesome. Jonathon, I wonder if you can find some out in the foothills?

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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 08:52:10 PM »
I like to add a couple pounds of the malt in with the corn and mash it for 20 minutes at 154-ish before boiling.  I think it helps keep it from getting overly sticky.

cool. I always wondered about the point of that first step in the cereal mash. I'll do that.

I use 158F as my cereal mash temp.  The purpose of the rest is to lower the viscosity of the cereal mash.  You combine 10% of the malt with the corn in the cereal mash.
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Re: 6 row in a CAP (or PPL, whatever)
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 07:33:13 AM »
I like to add a couple pounds of the malt in with the corn and mash it for 20 minutes at 154-ish before boiling.  I think it helps keep it from getting overly sticky.

cool. I always wondered about the point of that first step in the cereal mash. I'll do that.

I use 158F as my cereal mash temp.  The purpose of the rest is to lower the viscosity of the cereal mash.  You combine 10% of the malt with the corn in the cereal mash.

I aimed for 154, probably over shot by 3 degrees so I was close to your temp. viscosity was not a problem so apparently it worked. I used ~4 kg of pale malt in the batch and ~.5 kilo in the cereal mash so I was pretty close on the 10% too.

I hit 78% brewhouse efficiency which is pretty high for me. We will see if it worked in a few more weeks.