[flbrewer]

I added some PBW to my Speidel yesterday and covered it up with a piece of aluminum foil (shook up the water to mix in the PBW).

This afternoon I pulled off the foil and it was pitch black where the mixture contacted the foil and it smelled funky.

Why did this happen? Will this cause any toxic nasties to be in my fermenter?

[S. cerevisiae]

Alkaline cleaning products dissolve aluminum.   That's why one does not clean aluminum equipment with sodium hydroxide.

[flbrewer]

Hmmm, can I still use the plastic fermenter safely?

[a10t2]

Thoroughly clean it (without the foil) and it should be fine.

[hopfenundmalz]

Aluminum will also not stand up to acidic conditions. That is why one does not cook tomatoes in an aluminum pot. I had a piece of aluminum foil fall off the shelf into some open Star San and it spent a few days in there, the Star San was gray, the foil looked liked grandma's doilies.

[Stevie]

Aluminum will also not stand up to acidic conditions. That is why one does not cook tomatoes in an aluminum pot. I had a piece of aluminum foil fall off the shelf into some open Star San and it spent a few days in there, the Star San was gray, the foil looked liked grandma's doilies.

I lost a bit of foil under the foam for a day or two as well. Decided to dump it and make a fresh batch.

[flbrewer]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

[hopfenundmalz]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

Aluminum does not take high or low pH. Take it from there.

[flbrewer]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

Aluminum does not take high or low pH. Take it from there.

Huh? Wha? Sorry, not following...

[hopfenundmalz]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

Aluminum does not take high or low pH. Take it from there.

Huh? Wha? Sorry, not following...

PBW will attack the surface layer on Aluminum due to higher pH. Star San has a pH lower than 3 and will attack the surface layer on Aluminum.

Production breweries use aggressive caustics that have a pH higher than PBW, and the acids that are used in breweries are more aggressive than Star San. You might discern why there are not too many Aluminum parts in a commercial brewery.

[JT]

http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/Brew-Strong/Brew-Strong-11-10-08-Cleaning
Oldie but a goodie.

[brewsumore]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

DO NOT WORRY that the dissolved aluminum will impregnate the inside walls of your spiedel fermenter.  As previously stated, clean and rinse well your Spiedel, avoid aluminum foil + PBW in the future, and all is well for future ferments.  That's a tough thing to deal with any OCD-based inclinations; don't give into that in this case as it would be over-reacting -- the spiedel is perfectly fine!  :> 

[ynotbrusum]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

DO NOT WORRY that the dissolved aluminum will impregnate the inside walls of your spiedel fermenter.  As previously stated, clean and rinse well your Spiedel, avoid aluminum foil + PBW in the future, and all is well for future ferments.  That's a tough thing to deal with any OCD-based inclinations; don't give into that in this case as it would be over-reacting -- the spiedel is perfectly fine!  :> 

Now just wait a minute...are you saying that the Speidels should not be cleaned with PBW?  I have not heard that before.  A quick (not overnight) PBW soak is fine as far as I have heard....

[brewsumore]

Well we've got some folks talking about Star San, I'm talking about PWB....same issue with the aluminum?

Also, anymore input on whether or not this is a problem using this fermenter going forward? My OCD is telling me that there is some type of dissolved aluminum that is now stuck on my plastic fermenter.   

DO NOT WORRY that the dissolved aluminum will impregnate the inside walls of your spiedel fermenter.  As previously stated, clean and rinse well your Spiedel, avoid aluminum foil + PBW in the future, and all is well for future ferments.  That's a tough thing to deal with any OCD-based inclinations; don't give into that in this case as it would be over-reacting -- the spiedel is perfectly fine!  :> 

Now just wait a minute...are you saying that the Speidels should not be cleaned with PBW?  I have not heard that before.  A quick (not overnight) PBW soak is fine as far as I have heard....

Sorry if I was unclear.  That's not at all what I'm saying.  I would definitely continue to use PBW to clean Spiedels - just not at the same time with aluminum.  Just reiterating the following:

Alkaline cleaning products dissolve aluminum.   That's why one does not clean aluminum equipment with sodium hydroxide.

[ynotbrusum]

Gotcha - cool with me.