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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2015, 10:39:58 am »
I'm not sure if I am using too much oxyclean, but I use to line four with 4-4.5 gallons for cleaning during the brew day and half way between line 1 and 2 for soaking my fermentors.


One thing I read ages ago that I still follow is to never add the cleaner to the fermentor first, especially with PTFE (better bottle type) fermentors. The concentration is too high. I add mine to a bucket with 3 gallons and mix well before I pour it in.

Standard chemistry safety rules.  I've seen the results of not following this rule (not with our cleaning solutions but other chemicals) and it convinced me why the chem teacher was so adamant about it.  Entertaining as long as you aren't standing near by.

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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2015, 10:41:19 am »
is it positioned as a no rinse cleaner at recommended strengths?

Nope.  Don't know of any cleaner that's no rinse.
  my LD carlson easy clean powder is no rinse...thats why i asked.

Interesting.  I obviously am not familair with that stuff.  Wonder how they compare otherwise?

i don't know how it compares. IME i dose it at recommended 1 tbls. per gallon, and in a few hours all the crud in my carboy is gone.
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2015, 10:49:15 am »
My guess is Easy Clean is based on sodium percarbonate just like PBW/OxyClean/and this new stuff. Pure sodium percarbonate would only leave salt and water behind after a long enough period. I'd still rinse, but maybe you don't need to as much as with oxyclean as it also has other chemicals and perfumes.

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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 10:51:46 am »
My guess is Easy Clean is based on sodium percarbonate just like PBW/OxyClean/and this new stuff. Pure sodium percarbonate would only leave salt and water behind after a long enough period. I'd still rinse, but maybe you don't need to as much as with oxyclean as it also has other chemicals and perfumes.

could be. ive never rinser, per say. after the cleaning its drains dry and then i hit it with starsan...that in itself may be rinsing....but i never see any residue others speak of with other products.
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2015, 10:54:19 am »
I always dip stuff in Starsan after cleaning, especially with oxyclean. I find it leaves stuff sparkly.

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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 10:58:53 am »
I've asked Jonathan Ettlie from Craftmeister to join this thread to answer questions.  He will not be selling or advertising the product here.  If anyone has a problem with his posts, please contact me.

Thank you Denny.  Hello guys, this is Jonathan, the "Brewing Ambassador" (AKA Brand Manager) from Craft Meister chemicals.  I would like to be active on this forum as a product expert and someone that can offer assistance and answer questions about cleaning and sanitizing.  I'd be more than happy to field and answer any questions regarding the Craft Meister and BTF Iodophor products that National Chemicals, Inc. manufactures.

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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2015, 10:59:49 am »
I always dip stuff in Starsan after cleaning, especially with oxyclean. I find it leaves stuff sparkly.

agreed-my glass looks like i windexed it!
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 11:03:10 am »
I've asked Jonathan Ettlie from Craftmeister to join this thread to answer questions.  He will not be selling or advertising the product here.  If anyone has a problem with his posts, please contact me.

Thank you Denny.  Hello guys, this is Jonathan, the "Brewing Ambassador" (AKA Brand Manager) from Craft Meister chemicals.  I would like to be active on this forum as a product expert and someone that can offer assistance and answer questions about cleaning and sanitizing.  I'd be more than happy to field and answer any questions regarding the Craft Meister and BTF Iodophor products that National Chemicals, Inc. manufactures.

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Hi Jonathon and welcome,
I'd like to know what the recommended dosages are for cleaning: kettles, kegs, carboys? Also how this would work in a CIP environment and what dose you would recommend for that..
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 11:05:36 am »
Hey Jonathan-

would this be a no rinse cleaner at listed dosage rates- 1 tablet per 3 gallons?

thanks
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2015, 12:00:13 pm »
is it positioned as a no rinse cleaner at recommended strengths?

Nope.  Don't know of any cleaner that's no rinse.
  my LD carlson easy clean powder is no rinse...thats why i asked.

Interesting.  I obviously am not familair with that stuff.  Wonder how they compare otherwise?
It is a percarbonate based cleaner based on what their MSDS says, which would make it similar to PBW.

I guess the concept of a no-rinse cleaner doesn't make much sense to me. If you have all the gunk that you cleaned off your dirty fermenter or keg dissolved in solution, wouldn't you want to rinse the dirty cleaner off?
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 12:03:36 pm »
I guess the concept of a no-rinse cleaner doesn't make much sense to me. If you have all the gunk that you cleaned off your dirty fermenter or keg dissolved in solution, wouldn't you want to rinse the dirty cleaner off?
Good point

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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2015, 12:09:06 pm »
I guess the concept of a no-rinse cleaner doesn't make much sense to me. If you have all the gunk that you cleaned off your dirty fermenter or keg dissolved in solution, wouldn't you want to rinse the dirty cleaner off?
Good point

a lot of junk bubbles out during the process (i fill it all the way ). whats left is swirled and dumped. i then just throw a little more cleaner and water in , swirl and dump. then starsan.

honestly not doing it for any other reason then the product says rinsing not needed...so i don't sweat over it either way.
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2015, 12:20:32 pm »
Hey Jonathan-

would this be a no rinse cleaner at listed dosage rates- 1 tablet per 3 gallons?

thanks

Great question.  A previous poster mentioned our philosophy on "no-rinse cleaners" in a previous post, and my answer will essentially be the same.  A rinse step is very important, even at low dosages, because not only does it remove trace detergent chemicals (although percarbonate breaks down into natural, harmless salts, we also use various alkaline agents that you wouldn't want to track into your beverage), but rinsing also removes any of the solids and gunk that your cleaner has loosened.  When applying a no-rinse sanitizer, residual organic material and detergents have the potential to impact the effectiveness of a sanitizer if not properly removed by rinsing.

"Why is Rinsing important? Rinsing is designed to carry away residual detergent and soils after the wash step. It also provides a great opportunity to inspect your equipment for any stubborn soils that might have been missed during the wash phase. Some home brewing sanitizers lose effectiveness in the presence of a detergent, so rinsing helps insure that the sanitizing process has the best opportunity to make your equipment 99.9% free of microbes. The team at Craft Meister also uses the rinse step to routinely check for wear and tear on fittings, valves and handles. The worst (and most likely) time for any of those parts to fail is when your mash tun or kettle is full of hot material. "
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2015, 12:21:34 pm »
I guess the concept of a no-rinse cleaner doesn't make much sense to me. If you have all the gunk that you cleaned off your dirty fermenter or keg dissolved in solution, wouldn't you want to rinse the dirty cleaner off?
Good point

a lot of junk bubbles out during the process (i fill it all the way ). whats left is swirled and dumped. i then just throw a little more cleaner and water in , swirl and dump. then starsan.

honestly not doing it for any other reason then the product says rinsing not needed...so i don't sweat over it either way.
So you're really just rinsing with more sanitizer. I'm with others. You may not need to rinse the cleaner out, but without rinsing the dirt stays put.
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Re: New cleaning products
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2015, 12:24:23 pm »
I guess the concept of a no-rinse cleaner doesn't make much sense to me. If you have all the gunk that you cleaned off your dirty fermenter or keg dissolved in solution, wouldn't you want to rinse the dirty cleaner off?
Good point

a lot of junk bubbles out during the process (i fill it all the way ). whats left is swirled and dumped. i then just throw a little more cleaner and water in , swirl and dump. then starsan.

honestly not doing it for any other reason then the product says rinsing not needed...so i don't sweat over it either way.
So you're really just rinsing with more sanitizer. I'm with others. You may not need to rinse the cleaner out, but without rinsing the dirt stays put.

sure understood. no gunk left when i'm done. and yes, just swishing out with much lower dose...probably dont need to and could use just water.
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