[BrodyR]

I've become a fan of no crystal in Pales. I think it's worth it to try a batch without and adjust up.

I used to always go with a bit of C-60 but now do 100% pale (usually marris otter) or throw in some flaked oats for body. I first got turned onto the idea when I tried the Tired Hands - Hop Hands clone recipe.

[bboy9000]

Switching to all grain lightened the color in my beers.  I use 10 lbs of 2 row and 1 lb of C-60 in my APA.  No other grains.  It's close to the color of an amber ale but is an APA.  According to Brewtoad it should be 8 srm.  The color chart indicates it about 12 srm which is the upper end of the color specs.  Not that I care because it tastes like an APA.