yeah bread crust and toast/nuts in a Dunkel. Rich but not as much as a bock. I like a *bit* of coffee and especially chocolate, and do well going that route. Decidedly balanced towards malt; hops stay out of the way.
Lighter in body, and the character malts are darker, for schwarz. Some hops are welcome, and they are much closer to balanced with malt. Super drinkable. However it's not a porter. The people that keep telling me to make mine bigger, richer, more body, and -my favorite- "add 10% roast malt" are not really getting it. What they've been asking me for seems like, if I keep or even increase my current hops, more of a Czech Dark.