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Offline 100amps

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A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« on: October 03, 2015, 06:46:16 AM »
I was looking for a nice porter recipe and found this one which took gold in the 2012 comp.  It looks like one I'd like to brew.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/brown-bag-brown-porter-2/

But the numbers are not adding up. Maybe you have some insight, or maybe there are some mistakes in the transcription and we can figure out what it should say.

The FG seems very high, (attenuation very low) given the other parameters. Why would it be like this? If the OG was 1.052, I would expect FG to be near 1.014 and ABV closer to 5% (where I'd like mine to end up) based on the mash, the yeast and fermentation temp.

So what do you think is going on here?

..Todd

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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 11:38:12 AM »
It might not be a mistake. Quick early math in my head shows about 20% specialty grains. I would run it through an online recipe calculator and see if you get a much different result.
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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 01:23:40 PM »
similar to my robust porter recipe - mine has 20.7% specialty grains, uses london ale mashed at 152F. OG 1.065 FG 1.016.

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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 01:31:12 PM »
Doesn't look like too much non-fermentable specialty malts to me.

My guess is his thermometer was not calibrated and he actually mashed at like 156-157 F.

Secondly, it's possible that he cold crashed after fermentation and didn't actually give it 2 full weeks at 68 F as he says.

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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2015, 01:49:02 PM »
Agreed with all the above. Regardless of attenuation or FG it was obviously considered to be a pretty good beer  ;)   1.022 is is fairly high to finish for a 1.052 beer but (as said), with specialty malts in the 20% range, it's not all that surprising. A little residual sweetness can be a nice balance for dark roasted grains.
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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 01:52:36 PM »
Something else obvious that I didn't consider -- maybe they measured the FG wrong too.
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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 06:56:11 PM »
HoosierBrew: Totally agree. Just wish I knew what the award-winning end result really was. I need something to aim for.

dmtaylor: You think like I do (or vise-versa). Fermentus interruptus, or an undocumented procedural deviation, or a mistake somewhere.

The fermentability of the grist was well considered and modelled in worst case scenarios before I posted.

Good input everyone. Thanks.

..todd

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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 08:05:36 PM »
Could be a measurement error, or a stalled fermentation that still tasted good to the judges. It isn't like the readings/recipes are audited.

Totally off-the-wall hypothesis: it's an uncorrected refractometer reading. That would be ~1.009 FG.
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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 08:36:20 PM »
Could be a typo

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Re: A puzzling Gold medal porter recipe.
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 10:36:54 PM »
I checked the Sept.-Oct. 2012 issue of Zymurgy to see if it was any different. A couple of typos were fixed there, but nothing relevant to this. The ABV was not listed there, so it may have been derived later from the FG for the website.

There's only one thing to do, pick a variable, fix it and brew it. My pick is that 1.022 FG should have said 1.012, which resolves pretty much everything, except the the ABV listed on the website.

I'm running with that to see where it takes me.

..todd
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