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Offline beerlord

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Adjusting my RO Water
« on: July 17, 2017, 09:53:29 am »
I've been using an RO filter for almost a year and for the most part, my beers have shown a good improvement.
However, I've noticed an almost metallic type bite to a few and though I've tried a few water calculators, I've found Bru'n Water to work best for me.
My question is, since I haven't used acidic malts or lactic acid, would I be better off using some lactic acid and reduce the gypsum, calcium chloride and epsom a bit more? 
I make mostly IPA's and pale ales and stouts and my darker beers are much more enjoyable and I don't seem to have any problems with them. The aroma has greatly improved and the beers aren't bad but just not great.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 10:15:45 am »
Measure TDS recently? 
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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 10:43:26 am »
Yes, every time.  Usually under 10.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2017, 12:00:39 pm »
Any rust or iron in your system? Even a small bit in the kettle can cause and off flavor.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 12:09:51 pm »
Nope, my water is pretty darn good as it is for many beers.
I keep wondering if my ph meter is off though I've got 2 and they both read very similar. 
I've wondered if there is a slight infection going on to cause an off flavor and may try some Iodopher instead of Star San next brew day just in case something funky has visited.
I keep a very clean brew shop and never have had an infection. Got a keezer to keep the ferementers at 65-66 so I don't believe either of those are the culprit.
Still very drinkable.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 01:02:04 pm »
What is you mash pH target? 
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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 01:06:46 pm »
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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 02:12:36 pm »
The hashness could be coming from excess magnesium in the epsom salts.  What levels of magnesum do you have?

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 02:22:23 pm »
Thanks for the idea.  My year old water report shows 11 ppg magnesium. I've not idea what the RO filter removes and many of my beers I add 2-4 grams of epsom depending on the grist.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 02:30:40 pm »
RO should get take most Mg that is present in tap out.  That sounds like a bit much.  How much ppm Mg does BNW show?  Over 30?  I never use epsom and use gypsum (ALOT) to sulfate load for IPA. 
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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 02:32:39 pm »
I've been using an RO filter for almost a year and for the most part, my beers have shown a good improvement.
However, I've noticed an almost metallic type bite to a few and though I've tried a few water calculators, I've found Bru'n Water to work best for me.
My question is, since I haven't used acidic malts or lactic acid, would I be better off using some lactic acid and reduce the gypsum, calcium chloride and epsom a bit more? 
I make mostly IPA's and pale ales and stouts and my darker beers are much more enjoyable and I don't seem to have any problems with them. The aroma has greatly improved and the beers aren't bad but just not great.
FWIW, my Sulfate/Chloride Ratio is 5.3,
I get 221ppm from gypsum and 41ppm from Epsom salt. I get  45ppm chloride from CaCl and 4ppm from RO water then I use Lactic acid to bring the mash pH down to 5.3

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 02:38:02 pm »
Won't overcarbing possibly give a twangy, metallic taste?  On a few of these I did set rate up to 30 psi for 24 hours then down to serving psi.  It certainly doesn't feel overcarbed.
But the most recent batch I brewed I tasted before I kegged and it was milder but it was still there. 

I'm definitely trying a few new things this weekend to see if there's a difference.  Lactic acid being one and I may shoot for a higher ph to see how that works out.

Thanks for all the help.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2017, 09:18:52 am »
Would it hurt to add 1/2 a campden tablet to my RO water just as a precaution?   ;l

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2017, 09:31:27 am »
Would it hurt to add 1/2 a campden tablet to my RO water just as a precaution?   ;l
Shouldn't be needed with RO if your concern is chlorine or chloramine.

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Re: Adjusting my RO Water
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2017, 02:06:36 pm »
Would it hurt to add 1/2 a campden tablet to my RO water just as a precaution?   ;l
RO systems have a carbon filter element to remove chlorine and chloramines, cause chlorine will eat through the membrane, rendering the filter ineffective. So you don't need it for RO.
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