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Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« on: April 01, 2011, 02:09:29 PM »
The good, NO BOILOVER..... full throttle to a rolling boil....turn it down and maintain. SWEET.

The Bad. Big ol' paint strainer hop bag sealed. As in hang it above the kettle and it takes 1/2 hour to drain. The two don't work together apparently. Unless there's another reason for that. Which there may be...... Against the rule of never changing more than one thing at a time I also hung the bag in there before boil (for FWH). But, this means there was a serious hot break inside the bag as well.....

I'm hoping I got proper hop utilization.... :-[ It tasted bitter enough so I am optimistic.

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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 02:13:51 PM »
I doubt it's the fermcap, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.  Hot break makes more sense though.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2011, 04:25:33 PM »
Its hot break. Tubercle don't chuck in the strainer bag until the break has settled and no problems. On the occasion where FWH is done, the bag is full of break material.

 Been there.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2011, 04:57:01 PM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2011, 05:02:54 PM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.
I have a false bottom, why use a bag?
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2011, 05:58:17 PM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.

FWH is ok just don't boil the bag. It's already done it's work AFAIK.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2011, 06:00:44 PM »
Fermcap was the worst brewing purchase I think I ever made. It didn't work for me. Save your money.

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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 06:18:05 PM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.

FWH is ok just don't boil the bag. It's already done it's work AFAIK.

FWH need to stay in through the boil.  I use both Fermcap and FWH in a bag and haven't experienced the problem Oscar has.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 06:18:47 PM »
Fermcap was the worst brewing purchase I think I ever made. It didn't work for me. Save your money.

Hmmmm....tell me more.  Works like a charm for me so maybe we can figure out why it didn't work for you.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2011, 06:21:05 PM »
I don't know what to say. I used the required amount and it boiled over. I then added more and it still boiled over.

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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 06:26:01 PM »
I have used Fermcap-S in 50 batches of beer, and have never had any problems with it.  In fact, it's the same bottle that has lasted for 50 batches, and may well last for 50 more.

I only recently started using it in the boil (last 20 batches or so) and was pleased to find that it was doubly useful.  I've also had success using Fermcap-S to knock down the foam when making maple syrup, although I had to add it several times.  

I really like the product, and highly recommend it to anybody out there.  It works great in wine, too!

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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2011, 07:36:53 PM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.

FWH is ok just don't boil the bag. It's already done it's work AFAIK.

FWH need to stay in through the boil.  I use both Fermcap and FWH in a bag and haven't experienced the problem Oscar has.

Take it out right before the boil starts, drain and put it back in after the break. Why not? A modified FWH. I bet no-one could tell the difference.

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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2011, 07:41:15 PM »
Take it out right before the boil starts, drain and put it back in after the break. Why not? A modified FWH. I bet no-one could tell the difference.



Ah, I didn't understand that's what you were doing.  Nuthin wrong with that.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 06:03:33 AM »
Learning is taking place. Fermcap stays, FWH goes.

FWH is ok just don't boil the bag. It's already done it's work AFAIK.

FWH need to stay in through the boil.  I use both Fermcap and FWH in a bag and haven't experienced the problem Oscar has.

  I don't actually "experience" the problem either because I don't go through a long drain time with the bag, I just squish to against the side of the kettle with a slotted spoon and I'm done. I'm too lazy pragmatic to go through all of the draining.

  I have noticed break material inside the bag though that stops up the weave in FWH (my preferred method) vs throwing in the bag after the break has settled. To me there is not enough wort in the hops to drain every little bit. Just squeeze and go.
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Re: Fermcap-S The good and the bad.
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2011, 06:39:13 AM »
Not worried about the last drop either. What I am worried about is the bag being sealed and thus my hop utilization going south, or at least become an unknown.... I mean, when the water won't drain out, that means it doesn't recirculate either.
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