Author Topic: BJCP Guidelines - pH  (Read 2968 times)

Offline mabrungard

  • I spend way too much time on the AHA forum
  • ********
  • Posts: 2713
  • Water matters!
    • Bru'n Water
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2016, 10:00:21 PM »
Extract brewers don't benefit by checking pH?
They can't do anything about mash pH.

Actually, they can. If they reconstitute with alkaline water, the resulting wort pH is likely to be higher than desirable. Even if using distilled or RO water, the brewer can still alter the pH of the resulting wort with base or acid additions.
Martin B
Carmel, IN

BJCP National
Foam Blowers of Indiana (FBI)

Brewing Water Information at:
https://www.brunwater.com/

Like Bru'n Water on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Brun-Water-464551136933908/?ref=bookmarks

Offline Stevie

  • Official Poobah of No Life.
  • *
  • Posts: 6858
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2016, 10:02:55 PM »

Extract brewers don't benefit by checking pH?
They can't do anything about mash pH.

Actually, they can. If they reconstitute with alkaline water, the resulting wort pH is likely to be higher than desirable. Even if using distilled or RO water, the brewer can still alter the pH of the resulting wort with base or acid additions.
No doubt, but that is after the mash and as I mentioned before takes away the simplicity of extract. IMO

Offline klickitat jim

  • I must live here
  • **********
  • Posts: 8604
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2016, 10:29:14 PM »
Agreed that any ph measure is meaningless to the drinker, but final product ph could be important. Form example, a sour beer classic example that is 3.2ph vs another one right next to it on the list but being 3.5, might help show the difference or allowed variation. Another that jumps to mind is dry stout. There's times it sounds like helpful info, but I can't imagine asking volunteers to test and document and keep track of changes.

Final beer ph is one of those fine points that every brewer is welcome to explore on their own. Secret edge... ?

Offline hopfenundmalz

  • Global Moderator
  • I must live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 9971
  • Milford, MI
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 12:29:33 AM »
Do you guys use the guidelines when making a new recipe or do you more-so use your knowledge of past beers?
For competitions, the guidelines are what is the standard, so yes.

I have made a German lager, along the lines of a Landbier/Lagerbier that did not fit any BJCP guideline. It was not for competition, but tasted like those I have had in and around Bamberg. I liked it.
Jeff Rankert
AHA Lifetime Member
BJCP National
Ann Arbor Brewers Guild
Home-brewing, not just a hobby, it is a lifestyle!

Offline dmtaylor

  • Official Poobah of No Life.
  • *
  • Posts: 3994
    • Manty Malters - Meet the Malters! - Dave Taylor
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 12:48:41 AM »
IMO the BJCP should never have specified common ingredients in the guidelines.  Just stick with taste and the known quantifiable parameters of the final product.  Hell... OG probably shouldn't even be in there.  ABV, yes.  OG, no.
Dave

The world will become a much more pleasant place to live when each and every one of us realizes that we are all idiots.

Offline duelerx

  • Cellarman
  • **
  • Posts: 87
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2016, 02:53:38 AM »
What if i enter a really good Oktoberfest brewed with Kolsch yeast to a competition? or a Kolsch brewed with San Francisco Lager? Is it ok to enter a beer to a competition with a not traditional yeast?

Offline Stevie

  • Official Poobah of No Life.
  • *
  • Posts: 6858
Re: BJCP Guidelines - pH
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2016, 03:03:29 AM »

What if i enter a really good Oktoberfest brewed with Kolsch yeast to a competition? or a Kolsch brewed with San Francisco Lager? Is it ok to enter a beer to a competition with a not traditional yeast?
As long as it taste within style. I'm sure plenty would flip out of it won at NHC and got published in zymurgy. Last year, or maybe the year before a mild won with a OG that was out of style. Some had a big issue with this.