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Falconers Flight Hops
« on: April 16, 2011, 03:24:36 AM »
So I ended up with about 10 oz of Falconers Flight hops blend recently.  Now that I am looking at brewing with them I am learning that they are a blend of hops including Citra (along with Simcoe and Sirachi Ace and some experimental varieties).

Typically it doesn't take much Citra before a beer taste "catty" to me.  Can anybody whose brewed with them tell me if Citra is in a notable makeup?  I'd rather give them to a friend that loves Citra then use a brew day towards something I'm probably not going to want to drink.

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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 05:29:18 AM »
I am not a huge citra fan but have found them to work when blended well. The FF is definitely blended well. I think you will really enjoy the end product. It is a little fruity, however.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 08:06:08 AM »
I just tapped a keg of IPA yesterday that uses FF for both FWH and dry hopping.  I'm not a huge Citra fan, either, but I found the blend is perfectly balanced to give you that classic PNW hop flavor and aroma.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 08:30:15 AM »
Since I love Citra--with its hop bomb grapefruit aroma--I'll have to give FF a try.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 08:35:45 AM »
Since I love Citra--with its hop bomb grapefruit aroma--I'll have to give FF a try.

Interesting that you get grapefruit from Citra.  To me they're very "tropical", like mango or passion fruit.  Interesting how different people sense the same thing differently.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 08:58:53 AM »
Interesting that you get grapefruit from Citra.  To me they're very "tropical", like mango or passion fruit.  Interesting how different people sense the same thing differently.
You are very right about our tasting the same things differently. I can see the mango/passion fruit quality. I'm still learning to calibrate my tasting skills. I pick up the citrus is in the aroma more than the taste. (While others apparently pick up cat urine--yuck)

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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 09:19:58 AM »
Interesting, FF is a blend? Is it a proprietary kind of thing or like a public domain recipe that folks use? I've never seen it locally and had just assumed it was a hybrid cultivar. Sounds delicious.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 09:29:39 AM »
Interesting, FF is a blend? Is it a proprietary kind of thing or like a public domain recipe that folks use? I've never seen it locally and had just assumed it was a hybrid cultivar. Sounds delicious.

yeah, it's a blend of (IIRC) Citra, Simcoe, Amarillo, Chinook, Cascade, and Centennial.  I could be wrong about the exact blend but you get the idea.  It was made and is marketed by Hop Union to honor Glen Falconer, a PNW commercial brewer and member of my club.  He was the first guy who taught me to judge beer.

http://beervana.blogspot.com/2010/12/falconers-flight-and-pellet-blends.html

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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 11:32:19 AM »
I have a IPA that I used only this hop in. I'm tempted to go take a gravity reading so I can get a real taste of them. It's about time to dry hop it.

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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 02:52:21 PM »
Since I love Citra--with its hop bomb grapefruit aroma--I'll have to give FF a try.

Interesting that you get grapefruit from Citra.  To me they're very "tropical", like mango or passion fruit.  Interesting how different people sense the same thing differently.

Have to say, I don't get grapefruit from Citra at all. Big time "mango tea" for me.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 05:08:35 PM »
Since I love Citra--with its hop bomb grapefruit aroma--I'll have to give FF a try.

Interesting that you get grapefruit from Citra.  To me they're very "tropical", like mango or passion fruit.  Interesting how different people sense the same thing differently.

Have to say, I don't get grapefruit from Citra at all. Big time "mango tea" for me.
Here's what MoreBeer says about Citra: "Citrus, apricot, and overall melon aromas."

<Edit> But, you're right about what it is for you. We all perceive taste somewhat differently. I picked up a description from elsewhere attributing just about everything to Citra: floral, citrusy tropical fruit/lichi fruit aroma and flavor; and one of the key hops in Sierra Nevada Torpedo.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 05:46:25 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean people didn't get "citrus" character from the hop. Just saying it it tastes like mango tea to me - not grape fruit.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 07:04:12 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean people didn't get "citrus" character from the hop. Just saying it it tastes like mango tea to me - not grape fruit.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that either. Taste is, by its nature, subjective.
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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 10:15:07 PM »
In order to end this whole ordeal, yins can send me the balance of the FF hops that you have.  No sense in everyone arguing about them.  I'll brew with them and everyone can sleep easier at this point.  I'll pay for the shipping and all will be well. 

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Re: Falconers Flight Hops
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2011, 05:55:20 AM »
In order to end this whole ordeal, yins can send me the balance of the FF hops that you have.  No sense in everyone arguing about them.  I'll brew with them and everyone can sleep easier at this point.  I'll pay for the shipping and all will be well. 
And you're going to be shipping full corney kegs back out to everyone once it's brewed, right?  ;)
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