[dhacker]

Hmmm . .the longer this thread goes on, the more it seems to be going in ill-defined directions! 

So Fred's is the original, or the most current?

Hop extract?? . . as in a substitution for FWHing?


C'mon boys, let's nail this down! 

[hopfenundmalz]

The recipe on Fred's site is the new one that was in Zymurgy this summer.  Fred got that one from Vinnie after the 2009 NHC.  No Chinook and more Simcoe.  No mash hops in the new one

Here is what I brewed in 2006.  Compare to the recipe on Fred's site
11 Gallon Batch.
%     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
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 85.7    24.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row)              America        1.036      2
  1.8     0.50 lbs. Crystal 40L                   America        1.034     40
  5.4     1.50 lbs. CaraPilsner                   France         1.035     10
  7.1     2.00 lbs. Corn Sugar                    Generic        1.046      0

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
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  3.00 oz.    Chinook                           Whole   13.00  36.8  Mash H
  1.00 oz.    Columbus                          Whole   15.00  20.2  90 min.
  5.00 oz.    warrior                           Whole   15.00  101.0  90 min.
  2.00 oz.    Simcoe                            Whole   13.00  30.1  45 min.
  2.00 oz.    Columbus                          Whole   15.00  29.0  30 min.
  4.00 oz.    Centennial                        Whole   10.50   0.0  0 min.
  2.50 oz.    Simcoe                            Whole   13.00   0.0  0 min.
  6.50 oz.    Columbus                          Whole   15.00   0.0  Dry Hop
  3.50 oz.    Centennial                        Whole   10.50   0.0  Dry Hop
  4.00 oz.    Simcoe                            Whole   13.00   0.0  Dry Hop


Yeast
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WYeast 1056 Amercan Ale/Chico

[mikeypedersen]

That's the same recipe I've always used, except I brew it so that there is 5 gallons of actual beer going into the carboy.  I have also always done the mash hops as FWH because I was never really sure what adding hops to the mash would do.

The recipe itself is also much more heavily dry-hopped, I want to say that I was adding between 5.5 ot 7oz of hops to a 5 gallon batch.  Um Ummmmmm.

[nyakavt]

The recipe on Fred's site is the new one that was in Zymurgy this summer.  Fred got that one from Vinnie after the 2009 NHC.  No Chinook and more Simcoe.  No mash hops in the new one

Thanks for clearing this up, it's hard to sift through all the information out there unless you were around when it came out.