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Fine before or after dry hopping?
« on: August 27, 2014, 10:23:52 am »
I've been searching around for the answer to this question, and I can't find anything.  I like to fine with gelatin in the keg.  I am doing my first dry-hopping.  Should I fine the beer before or after I do the dry-hopping?

The beer is a Bell's Two Hearted Ale Clone.  I am going to dry hop with 3.5 oz of Centennial.

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 10:27:38 am »
I typically dry hop in primary as the fermentation slows down (a couple points above FG or so).  After dry hopping I cold crash for about 24-30 hrs, then close transfer into a keg on top of my prepared gelatin.  It mixes it well and when the beer is cold it accelerates the fining effect. 

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 10:35:34 am »
My choice would be to fine the yeast out if I thought I had to, then dry hop. Some haze is ok in an ipa as far as I'm concerned. Guidelines aside, if I handed someone an IPA and they said "wow, smells fantastic. But its a little hazy." Right, the haze is what you are smelling...

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 11:20:01 am »
My choice would be to fine the yeast out if I thought I had to, then dry hop. Some haze is ok in an ipa as far as I'm concerned. Guidelines aside, if I handed someone an IPA and they said "wow, smells fantastic. But its a little hazy." Right, the haze is what you are smelling...
Wasn't "Smell the Haze" an old Iron Butterfly record?
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 12:07:28 pm »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2014, 12:13:21 pm »
I've done both with good results, but I prefer to crash, then fine, then warm to room temp and dry hop.  I feel the aroma lasts a bit longer as most of the yeast is dropped out prior, as opposed to the aroma being absorbed by suspended yeast which then settles out. Both methods will make good beer though.
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 12:51:41 pm »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2014, 01:20:13 pm »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols


Bah, they sold out after "Stonehenge"  8)
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 11:53:52 am »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols

No, pretty sure it was Sniff The Glove by Spinal Tap.

Speaking of which, this is one of the best six-pack carriers I've seen in a while:

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 06:31:55 pm »
Spinal Tap rocked. Its too bad they broke up. ;-)

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 08:55:04 am »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols

No, pretty sure it was Sniff The Glove by Spinal Tap.

Speaking of which, this is one of the best six-pack carriers I've seen in a while:

http://pic.twitter.com/xmK7QGZdFl

+1  I love it!
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 08:56:01 am »
No, you're thinking Smell my Finger by the Sex Pistols

No, pretty sure it was Sniff The Glove by Spinal Tap.

Speaking of which, this is one of the best six-pack carriers I've seen in a while:

http://pic.twitter.com/xmK7QGZdFl

+1  I love it!

+2.  Fantastic.
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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 04:47:18 pm »
At the 2013 NHC, Stan H. gave a great presentation on hops and stated that there is new research out there suggesting that dry hopping in the presence of yeast creates a "synergy" effect that creates new aromas and flavors that were not there previously when mixing the dry hops with the yeast.  Some breweries including Stone and a couple Japanese breweries were really doing some heavy studies on this to determine which new by-products were produced when yeast work on hop oils.  Pretty cool! 

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Re: Fine before or after dry hopping?
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 09:33:15 am »
At the 2013 NHC, Stan H. gave a great presentation on hops and stated that there is new research out there suggesting that dry hopping in the presence of yeast creates a "synergy" effect that creates new aromas and flavors that were not there previously when mixing the dry hops with the yeast.  Some breweries including Stone and a couple Japanese breweries were really doing some heavy studies on this to determine which new by-products were produced when yeast work on hop oils.  Pretty cool!

I've posted here about my experiments with this theory.  Bottom line is that I found what Stan speaks of and now always get the beer off the yeast before dry hopping.
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