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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2017, 04:10:19 PM »
The Wyeast website instructions on BrewTan B recommend adding it 0-5 minutes before the end of the boil.
Denny, I notice you're adding it around 15 mins before the end of boil.
Are you seeing good results doing it this way?

Yeah, I am.  My usage is based on recommendations from Joe Formanek.  He's not only the BTB product manager, he's won more awards using it than most people have ever seen.

Is Joe with Natural Specialties? I'm wondering if the volumetric doses are just based off their weight based recommendations. It would make sense. Wyeast's recommendations and the Ajinomoto recommendations pretty much coordinate.

Joe is with Ajinomoto.

So he probably just adapted his volumetric values from their weight based recommendations based on his experience. Good to know that using either stays true to Joe's recommendations.

Yeah, I assume that's what he's doing.  He's the BTB secialist for Ajinomoto, so I just do whatever he says!
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2017, 05:24:44 PM »
The Wyeast website instructions on BrewTan B recommend adding it 0-5 minutes before the end of the boil.
Denny, I notice you're adding it around 15 mins before the end of boil.
Are you seeing good results doing it this way?

Yeah, I am.  My usage is based on recommendations from Joe Formanek.  He's not only the BTB product manager, he's won more awards using it than most people have ever seen.

Thanks, adding it around 15 min makes it easier to get the kettle finings in after adding the BrewTan B.
Wonder why Wyeast is recommending 0-5 min.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »
Yeah, I assume that's what he's doing.  He's the BTB secialist for Ajinomoto, so I just do whatever he says!

When Denny and I were talking with Joe at CBC Philly, Joe said to NOT add BTB at the same time as when your Irish Moss is added. I can't recall if he said to add the BTB before or after the Irish Moss. I'm sure there is some sort of interaction since both of these materials have electrically-charged surface chemistry and they probably take each other out, if added together.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2017, 05:41:11 PM »
Wonder why Wyeast is recommending 0-5 min.

I would assume because Ajinomoto recommends it and that may be where they source it.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 05:59:31 PM »
Wonder why Wyeast is recommending 0-5 min.

I would assume because Ajinomoto recommends it and that may be where they source it.

But Ajinomoto recommended 15 min. to me and many others. 
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 06:10:30 PM »
Wonder why Wyeast is recommending 0-5 min.

I would assume because Ajinomoto recommends it and that may be where they source it.

But Ajinomoto recommended 15 min. to me and many others.

I'm not sure. I'm just quoting their specifications sheet. Maybe they have updated it to reflect their new recommendations but haven't updated their official documents?

Both Wyeast and Ajinomoto quote 0-5 minutes in their data sheets which aligns better with the general recommendation that kettle finings be added at 15 minutes.

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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 07:25:53 PM »
So, finings at 15 min remaining and BTB at 5 min remaining.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 07:36:17 PM »
So, finings at 15 min remaining and BTB at 5 min remaining.

Joe says add BTB at least 1 min. before any other finings.  I do BTB at 15 and Whirlfloc at 5.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 07:41:17 PM »
So, finings at 15 min remaining and BTB at 5 min remaining.

Joe says add BTB at least 1 min. before any other finings.  I do BTB at 15 and Whirlfloc at 5.

Are you able to reach out to Joe and get clarification on this. Ajinomoto says otherwise but their v1.0 specs were issued in 2008.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 07:46:25 PM »
Derek please. You know nothing has changed in brewing since the 1900s

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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 07:49:37 PM »
Derek please. You know nothing has changed in brewing since the 1900s

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I'm honestly just curious. We recommend people use BTB in the mash and boil when using Copper so I want to make sure we point them to the correct information.
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 07:56:49 PM »
There's an interview with Joe in episode 25 of the Experimental Brewing Podcast.  He discusses the interactions of Brewtan B and kettle finings (including timing of additions).
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 08:18:30 PM »
Here's brewcraft using a mixture of the Wyeast recommendations, the Ajinomoto datasheet recommendations, and the JF recommendations:

https://shop.brewcraftusa.com/brewtan-b-1-oz-pack-10391o
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 08:38:24 PM »
Here's brewcraft using a mixture of the Wyeast recommendations, the Ajinomoto datasheet recommendations, and the JF recommendations:

https://shop.brewcraftusa.com/brewtan-b-1-oz-pack-10391o

Not too surprising since Brewcraft asked me about it.  To eliminate the middle man, here's Joe's email so you can contact him directly....Formanekj@ajiusa.com
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Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 09:18:45 PM »
Here's brewcraft using a mixture of the Wyeast recommendations, the Ajinomoto datasheet recommendations, and the JF recommendations:

https://shop.brewcraftusa.com/brewtan-b-1-oz-pack-10391o

Not too surprising since Brewcraft asked me about it.  To eliminate the middle man, here's Joe's email so you can contact him directly....Formanekj@ajiusa.com

Very cool. Thank you. I’m not concerned about it myself as I have no reason to use it in the boil, but I’d be curious to know and relate it to people using it in the boil.
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