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Offline Richard

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2022, 10:12:05 pm »
One reason you need to specify something beyond "Hallertau" is because of "Hallertau Blanc". This has AA of 9-12% and is described as mostly an aroma hop for American beer styles such as IPA "with moderate to strong notes of pineapple, white grape, fresh lemongrass stalk, and passionfruit characteristics". I once grabbed a package of that at my LHBS and the cashier asked me if I knew that this was nothing like the other Hallertau hops. In fact I wanted Hallertau Mittelfruh, but they were out of that so I grabbed this one instead. He saved me by alerting me to the difference.
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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2022, 12:57:11 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers
« Last Edit: November 22, 2022, 02:29:47 am by Fire Rooster »

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2022, 05:29:15 am »
What market are you in?

Because I would still just call them Hallertau(er) Mittelfruh(er), like these from YCH:  https://www.yakimachief.com/hallertauer-mittelfruher-gr.html

Or from YVH: https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2022, 08:26:27 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

Then I would have to say you may be sourcing your pellets from the wrong place. There's no reason they are inferior. Most breweries use pellets rather than whole.
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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2022, 08:32:59 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

Then I would have to say you may be sourcing your pellets from the wrong place. There's no reason they are inferior. Most breweries use pellets rather than whole.
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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2022, 08:45:51 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

Then I would have to say you may be sourcing your pellets from the wrong place. There's no reason they are inferior. Most breweries use pellets rather than whole.

If I may ask, where do you get your pellet hops ?

Thanks

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2022, 09:19:12 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

Then I would have to say you may be sourcing your pellets from the wrong place. There's no reason they are inferior. Most breweries use pellets rather than whole.

If I may ask, where do you get your pellet hops ?

Thanks

Yakima Chief and Hop Heaven primarily.
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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2022, 12:03:55 pm »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

Then I would have to say you may be sourcing your pellets from the wrong place. There's no reason they are inferior. Most breweries use pellets rather than whole.

If I may ask, where do you get your pellet hops ?

Thanks

Yakima Chief and Hop Heaven primarily.

I've bought pellet hops from both of them.

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2022, 03:40:54 pm »
fyi
https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/fpSrUptcco/

I recently ordered 2022 Mt Hood dried whole cone from -
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/

Mt Hood
"Bred in 1983 and released from the USDA breeding program in Oregon in 1989, Mt.
Hood is a triploid aroma-type cultivar with similarities to German Hallertau and German
Hersbrucker. It is named after the famous Oregon volcano."

Cheers

Mt. Hood is one of the hops I grow at home. I like them a lot for their noble-like quality. I wouldn't pass them off as any Hallertau variety to either a German beer purist or in a competition in a German style. The flavor is a little more assertive and they are higher alpha which can result in changes if used for bittering. I use them in my lagers and Belgian beers and I've never had anybody remark on the hop feeling out of place. Then again the number of people who could pick out Mt. Hood these days are probably few and far between.

I switched to using 100 % domestically grown hops (I live in the US) some years back and I see absolutely no reason to stop. The domestic "noble" hops I get like Liberty or US grown magnum are every bit as good as their European counterparts and are usually in much better condition.

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2022, 04:01:50 pm »
fyi
https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/fpSrUptcco/

I recently ordered 2022 Mt Hood dried whole cone from -
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/

Mt Hood
"Bred in 1983 and released from the USDA breeding program in Oregon in 1989, Mt.
Hood is a triploid aroma-type cultivar with similarities to German Hallertau and German
Hersbrucker. It is named after the famous Oregon volcano."

Cheers

Mt. Hood is one of the hops I grow at home. I like them a lot for their noble-like quality. I wouldn't pass them off as any Hallertau variety to either a German beer purist or in a competition in a German style. The flavor is a little more assertive and they are higher alpha which can result in changes if used for bittering. I use them in my lagers and Belgian beers and I've never had anybody remark on the hop feeling out of place. Then again the number of people who could pick out Mt. Hood these days are probably few and far between.

I switched to using 100 % domestically grown hops (I live in the US) some years back and I see absolutely no reason to stop. The domestic "noble" hops I get like Liberty or US grown magnum are every bit as good as their European counterparts and are usually in much better condition.

I did the same for many years.  Then I got ahold of some outstanding Mittelfruh. That convinced me that domestic hops just aren't the same. When I cant source outstanding continental hops, Mt. Hood is what I use.
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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2022, 06:25:07 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

You should use what you want but "pellet hops aren't worthy of your brewing" is a biased misconception.

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2022, 09:01:03 am »
fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIUp71L8h8&t=26s

Haven't used a pellet hop worthy of my brewing, maybe this will, time will tell.
Ordering Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth (2022) when available.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/hallertau-mittelfruh-pellet-hops

Cheers

You should use what you want but "pellet hops aren't worthy of your brewing" is a biased misconception.

I admit a possible bias.  I don't mind using dried leaf, toss hop sack in, toss out.
Pellets are easier to use and store for sure.  It could be bias based on every time trying to switch
to pellets it's' regretted.  Common sense dictates they should be the same, but something tastes different.
I'm open to trying pellets again.  Hops direct has both pellet and dried whole cone Mt Hood from 2022 harvest.
Considering ordering their Mt Hood pellet, since I already received their 2022 dried whole cone.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2022, 09:02:48 am by Fire Rooster »

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2022, 09:07:47 am »
fyi
https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/fpSrUptcco/

I recently ordered 2022 Mt Hood dried whole cone from -
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/

Mt Hood
"Bred in 1983 and released from the USDA breeding program in Oregon in 1989, Mt.
Hood is a triploid aroma-type cultivar with similarities to German Hallertau and German
Hersbrucker. It is named after the famous Oregon volcano."

Cheers

Mt. Hood is one of the hops I grow at home. I like them a lot for their noble-like quality. I wouldn't pass them off as any Hallertau variety to either a German beer purist or in a competition in a German style. The flavor is a little more assertive and they are higher alpha which can result in changes if used for bittering. I use them in my lagers and Belgian beers and I've never had anybody remark on the hop feeling out of place. Then again the number of people who could pick out Mt. Hood these days are probably few and far between.

I switched to using 100 % domestically grown hops (I live in the US) some years back and I see absolutely no reason to stop. The domestic "noble" hops I get like Liberty or US grown magnum are every bit as good as their European counterparts and are usually in much better condition.

I did the same for many years.  Then I got ahold of some outstanding Mittelfruh. That convinced me that domestic hops just aren't the same. When I cant source outstanding continental hops, Mt. Hood is what I use.
I like Liberty alot more than Mt. Hood as a noble hop replacement. And I agree, Mittlefruh is amazing. Its just that so much of the mittlefruh I've bought has been oxidized and stale.

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2022, 01:08:17 pm »
2022 crop seems less than stellar for Hallerertauer Mittlefrueth.
Decided no more hops for me this season. Will pick up where I left off, next year.
I have enough 2022 dried whole cone to last until 2023 harvest.

Cheers

https://www.craftbrewingbusiness.com/featured/american-hop-harvest-looking-average-german-hop-crop-down-a-whopping-20-from-2021/
« Last Edit: November 23, 2022, 02:26:44 pm by Fire Rooster »

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Re: Hallertauer hops?
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2022, 09:52:04 am »
One reason you need to specify something beyond "Hallertau" is because of "Hallertau Blanc". This has AA of 9-12% and is described as mostly an aroma hop for American beer styles such as IPA "with moderate to strong notes of pineapple, white grape, fresh lemongrass stalk, and passionfruit characteristics". I once grabbed a package of that at my LHBS and the cashier asked me if I knew that this was nothing like the other Hallertau hops. In fact I wanted Hallertau Mittelfruh, but they were out of that so I grabbed this one instead. He saved me by alerting me to the difference.

Hallertau Blanc, Hüll Mellon, and Mandarina Bavaria were all released in 2012.

Hallertau Tradition was released in 1989, as a substitute for Hallertau Mittelfrüh which has low desease resitance.
https://www.hopslist.com/hops/aroma-hops/hallertauer-tradition/

I've read in the past that Hallertau Gold is often packaged as just Hallertau.
https://www.hopslist.com/?s=Hallertau+gold

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