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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2012, 10:39:45 AM »
A car that's paid for vs $25,000.00 in debt?  Really?   :o

I did say that he should do it for fun. the numbers don't work out unless you assume huge repair costs to the rabbit in the next 3-6 years which with only 40k is unlikely.

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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2012, 12:29:01 PM »
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.
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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2012, 12:39:36 PM »
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.

This is true but the Chevy Volt's engine directly powers the electric motor when the battery's range has been exceeded. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ I was wrong about this not being available in the US.
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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2012, 12:41:04 PM »
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.

This is true but the Chevy Volt's engine directly powers the electric motor when the battery's range has been exceeded. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ I was wrong about this not being available in the US.

although that's not diesel. I think both BMW and Mercedes have a hybrid diesel but probably only in europe
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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2012, 12:41:41 PM »
a submarine can use a diesel or a battery when the nuke shuts down.  (the diesel powers the electric motor)
i have not found one in a car yet but i be a hoping 8)
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« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2012, 01:10:03 PM »
Diesel Boats Forever!   8)
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2012, 01:13:07 PM »
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2012, 01:22:27 PM »
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

Uh huh...  A diesel "Truther"!   ;D
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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2012, 01:33:55 PM »
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.
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« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2012, 02:15:08 PM »
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.

ahh but only in a per gallon sense. in a per mile sense diesel is cheaper.
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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2012, 02:24:57 PM »
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.

ahh but only in a per gallon sense. in a per mile sense diesel is cheaper.

Diesel in the US is more per gallon due to tax structure vs Europe where it is discounted to encourage less oil imports. The price point for fuel in the USA combined with the higher purchase price of the Diesel engine option makes it a very long payback, if at all.

One other reason for fewer Diesels in cars in the USA is the differing emissions standards.

Locomotives - GE was working on one with batteries that would store the energy from dynamic braking, just like a hybrid. Lot of batteries, IIRC the next unit on the power end was all batteries. Don't know if it made production.

Yes, the Volt's gas engine does spin a generator which powers the traction motor.


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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2012, 03:57:25 AM »
AFAIK there is only one diesel hybrid engine currently on the market, used by Citroen and Peugeot for their DS5 Hybrid4 and 5008 Hybrid4, respectively. The batteries and cars are pretty heavy so you don't get too much of a mileage savings, 34mpg mixed. French motor companies haven't been competitive for a while now, so no surprises there. The review: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/review-citroen-ds5-hybrid-4/

Volkswagen has a "Cross Coupe" that will supposedly get 157 MPG, but if that thing actually gets to market in the next two-three years, I will eat my hat.
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Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2012, 11:15:43 AM »



I think jaguar was working on a gas turbine electric generator for electric motor driven car but don't know how that is going
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