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Offline leowaiau

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Piney pale ale feedback
« on: May 17, 2015, 03:40:21 AM »
So I'm trying to make a pale ale that has a piney and earthy hop character. Mash tun is out so its a partial mash recipe. I would love feedback. Here's the recipe.

KeoKea Pale (5 gal.)

Malt:
7 lb. Pilsner LME
1 lb. Munich Malt
0.25 lb. Crystal 40

Hop:
1 oz. Chinook (60)
1 oz. East Kent Goldings (30)
1 oz. Simcoe (10)
1 oz. Simcoe (5)

Yeast:
Wyeast 1333 Northwest Ale





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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2015, 03:51:30 AM »
Cool idea. The EKG will be buried under the others though

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2015, 05:52:53 AM »
Do you think the ekg would be more present swapped with the Simcoe?


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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2015, 12:14:51 PM »
You want pine, but EKG is not a hop known for that.
https://www.hopunion.com/uk-kent-golding/

If you can find something else from this list, it might help.
https://www.hopunion.com/aroma-wheel/?aroma=Pine

Or just use more Chinook and Simcoe.
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2015, 12:37:37 PM »
I dont know about chinook but I dont get any earthyness from simcoe.

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2015, 01:33:53 PM »
+1 to Jim and hopfenundmalz. Chinook or SImcoe for pine plus Willamette or Fuggles for earthiness will get you there. But Chinook and Simcoe are much stronger than the latter two, so you'd want to use less Chinook or Simcoe than Willamette or Fuggles.
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 02:14:14 AM »
+1 to Jim and hopfenundmalz. Chinook or SImcoe for pine plus Willamette or Fuggles for earthiness will get you there. But Chinook and Simcoe are much stronger than the latter two, so you'd want to use less Chinook or Simcoe than Willamette or Fuggles.
Agree with this. I'd say replace the EKG's with UK Fuggle in the original recipe with the understanding that you're shooting for pine with an undertone of earth. Earthy hops just aren't as "earthy" to the extent that piny hops are "piny".
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015, 11:43:52 AM »
+1 to Jim and hopfenundmalz. Chinook or SImcoe for pine plus Willamette or Fuggles for earthiness will get you there. But Chinook and Simcoe are much stronger than the latter two, so you'd want to use less Chinook or Simcoe than Willamette or Fuggles.
Agree with this. I'd say replace the EKG's with UK Fuggle in the original recipe with the understanding that you're shooting for pine with an undertone of earth. Earthy hops just aren't as "earthy" to the extent that piny hops are "piny".
Yes, pine in hops is much stronger than earthiness which makes me wonder if you want to add other non hop earthy ingredients such as spices to get you there.
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2015, 03:17:06 PM »
Goldings is a fabulous hop that blends well with bolder varieties.
I would agree with what others have said though in that it will not produce an earthy character....though there are some tasting notes that suggest they do.
Fuggles are a known for their earthiness and another one to consider is bramling cross; though sometimes I do pick up some blackcurrant from these.
The hop schedule is very similar to one I use for an ale I brew 4 or 5 times a year; though I chuck in my heap of goldings at 20 rather than 30 minutes.
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 04:11:00 PM »
It looks like you're shooting for about 5.5%abv and just under 90ibu if my quick calculations are right. Is that really what you want? I'd rather be in that 7-8% 90ibu or 5.5% 40-60ibu range.

Maybe
.5 Chinook 60
.5 Chinook 10
.5 Fuggles 10
.5 Simcoe 10
.5 Fuggles 5
.5 Simcoe 5

That's 50 ibu

What about just using say Falconer's 7'c as your hops. It's going to have some fruit, but it's going to hit your pine and earth.

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2015, 04:41:08 PM »
As an old guy, sounds like you should brew Sister Star of the Sun IPA.  A great old recipe that I have made several times over the years.  It will get you all the earthiness and piney that you want.

http://www.realbeer.com/hops/sister.html

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2015, 04:46:27 PM »
As an old guy, sounds like you should brew Sister Star of the Sun IPA.  A great old recipe that I have made several times over the years.  It will get you all the earthiness and piney that you want.

http://www.realbeer.com/hops/sister.html

Man I must be conservative. 3 oz of chinook for bittering 5 gallons seems crazy to me.
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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2015, 05:01:39 PM »
Man I must be conservative. 3 oz of chinook for bittering 5 gallons seems crazy to me.

Yeah, I've found heavy doses of chinook to be very abrassive

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015, 05:25:50 PM »
It does take a long secondary (~ 4 weeks) as it is a bit rough initially, but then it is Nirvana in a glass.  The SSoS recipe has been brewed by hundreds of homebrewers over the years, so it is a tried and true recipe.

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Re: Piney pale ale feedback
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2015, 05:29:41 PM »
I've used 2-3 oz of Chinook or Columbus @ 60 on big IPAs in the past many times. I've backed off a tad in recent years, though.
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