[majorvices]

I haven't tasted a lot of kolsches that are satisfying, a lot better luck with satisfying pilsners. Any thoughts on why that is?

Personal preference? I like both styles very well. I like my kolsch a bit more estery. Pils I like with a solid hop presence.

I should say I don't really have any qualms with the NEIPA style except that the beer geeks are so head over heals about them. That is what I find so truly annoying. I don't particularly care for them personally but I do agree they manage to pack some amazing hop aromas and flavors.

[dls5492]

Whenever I go to a brewery for the first time, I try out their pils, Kolsch, or other similar beer. If it's good, I know they can brew. You can't hide mistakes in those beers.
I like many types of beers. But, there is something amazing about a pils that is well done.
I extend my right hand of fellowship to all the pils brewers out there (like me)!

[hopfenundmalz]

Come on everybody, let's here the chant: Pils! Pils! Pils! ....

If you ever find yourself in Austin TX, stop at ABGB for some outstanding Pils. The have a lighted sign now that says “Pils Pils Pils”. I didn’t get a picture.

Scroll down to see a picture of their GABF winners. Clear but not filtered, I think, one brewer said he like Biofine-clear.
https://theabgb.com

[Robert]

Whenever I go to a brewery for the first time, I try out their pils, Kolsch, or other similar beer. If it's good, I know they can brew. You can't hide mistakes in those beers.
I like many types of beers. But, there is something amazing about a pils that is well done.
I extend my right hand of fellowship to all the pils brewers out there (like me)!

I shake your hand!

[Robert]

Come on everybody, let's here the chant: Pils! Pils! Pils! ....

If you ever find yourself in Austin TX, stop at ABGB for some outstanding Pils. The have a lighted sign now that says “Pils Pils Pils”. I didn’t get a picture.

Scroll down to see a picture of their GABF winners. Clear but not filtered, I think, one brewer said he like Biofine-clear.
https://theabgb.com

Those are some beautiful beers.  I remember you brought Biofine to my attention elsewhere on the forum, Jeff. I really have to try it, but I recall that it's temperature sensitive and I'll have to wait till after the thaw to order it!

[denny]

It's so trendy to dislike IPA.  I'm not trendy.  I'd say at least 75% of the beers I drink are IPA.  I love them.  I don't find I get palate burnout.  i can easily drink an IPA and then switch to a more subtle style.  What's wrong with you people?  😉

[majorvices]

It's so trendy to dislike IPA.  I'm not trendy.  I'd say at least 75% of the beers I drink are IPA.  I love them.  I don't find I get palate burnout.  i can easily drink an IPA and then switch to a more subtle style.  What's wrong with you people?  😉

Not a big trend to dislike them where I live. Quite the opposite. And since I didn't waste my pallet on weed and hops over the years I guess I'm just more sensitive than you. 

[denny]

It's so trendy to dislike IPA.  I'm not trendy.  I'd say at least 75% of the beers I drink are IPA.  I love them.  I don't find I get palate burnout.  i can easily drink an IPA and then switch to a more subtle style.  What's wrong with you people?  😉

Not a big trend to dislike them where I live. Quite the opposite. And since I didn't waste my pallet on weed and hops over the years I guess I'm just more sensitive than you. 

Keep telling yourself that!  I drink and enjoy subtle beers, too.  But my preference is toward hops.

[narcout]

Time to let beer settle? Read Kunze.  German brewers (and he considers this ideal practice)  ferment eight days, lager seven to ten, and filter and carbonate.

I think they filter after maturation/carbonation.

[Robert]

Time to let beer settle? Read Kunze.  German brewers (and he considers this ideal practice)  ferment eight days, lager seven to ten, and filter and carbonate.

I think they filter after maturation/carbonation.

Can be done either way.  As long as the CO2 is collected from fermentation, the Reinheitsgebot permits mechanical carbonation. 

[majorvices]

Time to let beer settle? Read Kunze.  German brewers (and he considers this ideal practice)  ferment eight days, lager seven to ten, and filter and carbonate.

I think they filter after maturation/carbonation.

You can't filter after carbonation. They lager, then filter or centrifuge, then carb. Centrifuges are awesome BTW. My pilsners and Kolsches are crystal clear.

I do not centrifuge or filter or even fine our IPAs.

[The Beerery]

Say what!?!  You certainly can filter carbonated beer.


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[narcout]

It's always possible I'm misunderstanding Kunze (and I've only skimmed the portion of Chapter 4 that discusses filtration), but he does say that filtering is done after maturation.  And my understanding is that natural carbonation is achieved during the maturation phase.

[Robert]

It's always possible I'm misunderstanding Kunze (and I've only skimmed the portion of Chapter 4 that discusses filtration), but he does say that filtering is done after maturation.  And my understanding is that natural carbonation is achieved during the maturation phase.

It was under the old open fermentation/krausen lager procedure.  In modern conicals, the procedure is a fermentation without pressure, , diacetyl rest (which constitutes maturation) and brief cold storage to prepare for filtration, which is followed by carbonation.

[The Beerery]

It's always possible I'm misunderstanding Kunze (and I've only skimmed the portion of Chapter 4 that discusses filtration), but he does say that filtering is done after maturation.  And my understanding is that natural carbonation is achieved during the maturation phase.

It was under the old open fermentation/krausen lager procedure.  In modern conicals, the procedure is a fermentation without pressure, , diacetyl rest (which constitutes maturation) and brief cold storage to prepare for filtration, which is followed by carbonation.

Can you cite the chapter?


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