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All Grain Witbier
« on: November 24, 2019, 02:05:59 pm »
My next all grain batch is a Witbier.
Organic sweet dried orange peel & whole coriander seeds will be used.
Both will be added last 5 min of boil, coriander seeds will be crushed and lightly toasted.

The recommended amounts to add, found online, vary greatly.
How much should I use for a 4 1/2 gallon batch ?

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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2019, 02:39:30 pm »
Whenever I brew a new-to-me style I seek out a trusted reference. In this case Brewing Classic Styles.  I would start here and if not where I wanted it, take a note for an adjustment the next time I brew it.

Fresh Citrus Zest, 5 min. 1.5 oz.
Crushed Coriander Seed, 5 min. .4 oz.


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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 08:14:52 am »
When and why did people get away from using bitter orange peel in wit, the way it was intended to be?
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 09:18:09 am »
When and why did people get away from using bitter orange peel in wit, the way it was intended to be?
It's Blue Moon's fault.  They had to blandify the flavors for the BMC crowd.
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 09:26:01 am »
When and why did people get away from using bitter orange peel in wit, the way it was intended to be?

Were people disappointed in the lack of orange flavor? They're just bitter in my experience, but that is part of the balance of Witbiers. Use Indian coriander to get a bright citrus orange flavor and aroma.
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2019, 09:48:08 am »
When and why did people get away from using bitter orange peel in wit, the way it was intended to be?

Were people disappointed in the lack of orange flavor? They're just bitter in my experience, but that is part of the balance of Witbiers. Use Indian coriander to get a bright citrus orange flavor and aroma.

Yeah that's kinda my point.  There's not supposed to be am overwhelming orange flavor.  It should be subtle, from the coriander.
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All Grain Witbier
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2019, 05:32:57 pm »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?  He doesn’t really say.

In the accompanying write up he does seem to be going for ‘orange’ vs ‘bitter’.

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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2019, 03:11:11 am »
Thanks all, keep it coming, learning from your input.
Having memories of the beer commercial "Tastes Great", "Less Filling"
Didn't give a whole lot of thought on which orange peel to use.
This article may have had an influence though.
https://beerandbrewing.com/orange-appeal/
Perhaps on a future batch bitter orange peel will be used.

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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2019, 04:18:36 am »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?

Mainly due to the fact that it’s incredibly difficult to buy a fresh bitter or sour orange anywhere. The commercial market is filled with sweet oranges.

While Indian coriander seems lemony to me, I prefer the pepperyness of Mexican coriander in my Wits. When I was in Florida, I could get bitter oranges from the grove. 
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All Grain Witbier
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2019, 05:59:28 am »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?

Mainly due to the fact that it’s incredibly difficult to buy a fresh bitter or sour orange anywhere. The commercial market is filled with sweet oranges.

While Indian coriander seems lemony to me, I prefer the pepperyness of Mexican coriander in my Wits. When I was in Florida, I could get bitter oranges from the grove.

As I was writing that I wondered where he’d get them outside Florida. He wrote of picking them in someone’s back yard. Though I’m not sure, I imagine Hispanic Market’s would have them because I use bitter orange juice in my Mojo marinades. I understand they are ‘Seville Oranges’ and Brits use them for marmalade as well as Belgians using them for beer.


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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2019, 06:33:54 am »
They are only picked during a brief window in the Mediterranean, and are often sold already preserved in sugar in England where they are used for marmalade.  Getting them fresh, not preserved or as dried peel, may be difficult anywhere, it seems.  But the flavor is far more intensely orangey than what you get with sweet oranges.  (Also for this reason the base of orange liqueurs like Cointreau and triple sec.)

Two things come to mind.  One, Seville oranges contain more pectin than sweet oranges, good for marmalade, but I wonder if it has any impact in brewing (I suppose Wit is hazy anyway so no problem.)  Second, I have read that bitter/Seville oranges are thought to cause the same kinds of drug interactions as grapefruit, so something to be aware of.
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2019, 07:16:31 am »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?

Mainly due to the fact that it’s incredibly difficult to buy a fresh bitter or sour orange anywhere. The commercial market is filled with sweet oranges.

While Indian coriander seems lemony to me, I prefer the pepperyness of Mexican coriander in my Wits. When I was in Florida, I could get bitter oranges from the grove.

When I lived in Texas they were fairly easy to find in Mexican grocery stores but here in Denver I've looked all over Latin American and Asian grocery stores and cannot find them at all.
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 08:10:45 am »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?  He doesn’t really say.

In the accompanying write up he does seem to be going for ‘orange’ vs ‘bitter’.

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Even if he was talking bitter (which he's not), I was speaking of a general trend.
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Re: All Grain Witbier
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 08:12:04 am »
Who’s to say Jamil’s “fresh citrus zest” is not from a bitter orange?

Mainly due to the fact that it’s incredibly difficult to buy a fresh bitter or sour orange anywhere. The commercial market is filled with sweet oranges.

While Indian coriander seems lemony to me, I prefer the pepperyness of Mexican coriander in my Wits. When I was in Florida, I could get bitter oranges from the grove.

I can buy dried bitter orange peel at my LHBS.
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