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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2023, 12:39:23 pm »
https://brulosophy.com/2023/01/06/the-hop-chronicles-saaz-2020-pale-lager/#more-141979



Saaz = Citrus, Tropical Fruit etc.

lol
Blind taste any beer with the expectation to decide the hop aroma/flavor contribution and you will pick out citrus just about every time. I get citrus from Saaz. It's not like Citra or Galaxy, but it's there. When you know what ingredients you're using you will often find what you expect, but even then I get citrus notes from noble hops like Saaz and Tettnanger all the time.
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2023, 01:11:09 pm »
Because people are getting upset I will no longer be replying to most things in this thread. But that is my two cents on exbeeriments and why I am no longer using them for information.

There's a simple solution Fred. Quit reading/watching Brulosophy and omit it from what you post and respond to. Plenty of folks understand that they present their experiments for what they are and enjoy them, whether as entertainment or data points to ponder.
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2023, 03:57:58 pm »
Ugh.  Makes you wonder how many pints of other stuff the tasters consumed prior to the xBmt.  Palate fatigue, wishful thinking, stupidity, terroir, or a combo of some or all of these.

For a recent competition at my club, we all brewed a Czech dark.  We all used Czech Saaz.  Zero of the entries tastes like citrus or tropical fruit.  Recipes and ingredient sources varied.  Zero examples tasted like citrus or tropical fruit.  Zero.  No one said anything about these characteristics during the BOS-style tasting.
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2023, 04:35:46 pm »

Blind taste any beer with the expectation to decide the hop aroma/flavor contribution and you will pick out citrus just about every time. I get citrus from Saaz. It's not like Citra or Galaxy, but it's there. When you know what ingredients you're using you will often find what you expect, but even then I get citrus notes from noble hops like Saaz and Tettnanger all the time.

Interesting, I'll take your word on that. TBH I haven't used saaz in my homebrew in a long time, but its still in my memory as spicy, shiny-sharp, herbal taste, though i did not break it down deeply.

Ugh.  Makes you wonder how many pints of other stuff the tasters consumed prior to the xBmt.  Palate fatigue, wishful thinking, stupidity, terroir, or a combo of some or all of these.

For a recent competition at my club, we all brewed a Czech dark.  We all used Czech Saaz.  Zero of the entries tastes like citrus or tropical fruit.  Recipes and ingredient sources varied.  Zero examples tasted like citrus or tropical fruit.  Zero.  No one said anything about these characteristics during the BOS-style tasting.

my "lol", wasnt a total condemnation necessarily, since it is 2022 and my perception is that a lot of european regions actually have a belief that the US is leading the way and are very into US style hops, i thought maybe it was how they are growing hops in the saaz region or it is a weird sourcing.

but yeah, even that is unlikely since people expect saaz to be... saaz. noble.

i just wonder how those results could have come about. funny.

and yes, i do still keep brulosophy on my shortlist of brewing bookmarks since i just don't know too many sites that update super frequently. its popcorn.
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2023, 04:57:17 pm »
I saw that as well and thought I was on crazy pills. Wasn’t the first time I was taken aback by their results from traditional hop testing…
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2023, 04:56:15 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2023, 08:40:19 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!

Continental or domestic?
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2023, 12:54:32 pm »
I don't know if he single hop series has told me anything the grower doesn't have on the package. Does anyone get anything from these charts that helps them make a decision prior to brewing?

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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2023, 01:39:47 pm »
I don't know if he single hop series has told me anything the grower doesn't have on the package. Does anyone get anything from these charts that helps them make a decision prior to brewing?

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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2023, 02:49:19 pm »
I don't know if he single hop series has told me anything the grower doesn't have on the package. Does anyone get anything from these charts that helps them make a decision prior to brewing?

Methinks they are a complete waste of time, and I quit reading them after the first couple hop chronicles, except for something like this case where it's a specific discussion topic.
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2023, 04:49:04 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!

Continental or domestic?
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2023, 10:24:31 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!

Continental or domestic?

domestic saaz taste alot more earthy to me that continental, although I havent used continental saaz in years

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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2023, 11:16:54 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!

Continental or domestic?

domestic saaz taste alot more earthy to me that continental, although I havent used continental saaz in years

I'm not sure I could generalize like that
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Re: recent exBEERiment result
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2023, 08:46:56 am »
I just bought a pound of Saaz to brew up some Czech lagers.  I hope there’s no citrus!

Continental or domestic?

domestic saaz taste alot more earthy to me that continental, although I havent used continental saaz in years

I'm not sure I could generalize like that
what do you mean?