[beersk]

beersk, I re-read your post and recipe and you specify lager yeast. The heading of this thread
is ALE...so there I did the freudian thing and did not think that one of the lagers I could brew
could be your 1554 recipe since it does indeed use lager yeast.  I wanted to brew a maibock
and then something on the yeast cake from that...may just work quite well....and fyi, I have
2 packets of S-189 reserved for these beers.

Well it is a lager yeast brewed at ale temps.  They use a European lager yeast, pretty sure it's Bohemian lager yeast, fermented at ale temps.  So you could do it.  So it's kind of an ale...hybrid type thing.

Look it here: http://www.newbelgium.com/beer/detail.aspx?id=5ac72c92-fd87-4ec7-858d-3380c8d465d8
This will provide some more insight.  I didn't realize they use Target hops.  But the grain bill looks pretty close.

[1vertical]

Yep thanx, I have had this beer and it is good for me...

[beersk]

Well fellas, I brewed this up a few weeks ago and it's now been in the keg for a week.  I did a compare last night and it's pretty close!  Mine is slightly darker and if I could, I'd lager it for a few weeks to get a crisper flavor.  Here's the recipe I brewed:
10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.0 SRM) Grain 72.73 %
2.00 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 14.55 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 7.27 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.64 %
0.25 lb Debittered black malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 1.82 %
1.00 oz Target hops approx. 9% IBU
1 Pkgs Bohemian Lager (Wyeast Labs #2124) Yeast-Lager with 2 liter starter

Came out to slightly higher ABV at around 5.8%.  
Next time I think I'll go lighter on either the chocolate malt or the debittered black, or both.  Otherwise, I think I just about nailed it.

[bluesman]

Well fellas, I brewed this up a few weeks ago and it's now been in the keg for a week.  I did a compare last night and it's pretty close!  Mine is slightly darker and if I could, I'd lager it for a few weeks to get a crisper flavor.  Here's the recipe I brewed:
10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.0 SRM) Grain 72.73 %
2.00 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 14.55 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 7.27 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.64 %
0.25 lb Debittered black malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 1.82 %
1.00 oz Target hops approx. 9% IBU
1 Pkgs Bohemian Lager (Wyeast Labs #2124) Yeast-Lager with 2 liter starter

Came out to slightly higher ABV at around 5.8%.  
Next time I think I'll go lighter on either the chocolate malt or the debittered black, or both.  Otherwise, I think I just about nailed it.

What was your OG and FG?

[1vertical]

I was gonna attempt this then when using my yeast on the
second batch, it under attenuated and so I changed my mind until
I get a good batch of lager yeast ready again.....dang

[beersk]

The OG was 1.060, I think and the FG was 1.015.  I'm pretty sure that's right, I don't have my BeerSmith here at work, so I'm not 100% sure on that, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.  I think 1554 has changed a bit as NB has grown, it's a little lighter in color and not quite as robust, but it's still a damn tasty beer.  

Pretty sure my basement temp is in the upper 50s right now also, so it didn't ferment too warm.  Probably just outside the upper range for lagers. 

[WDE97]

Hello I am looking for a all grain black ale recipe.

Don't want to get into the naming debate, but here is my Black IPA/CDA recipe.  I brewed this in early February and I think it's my favorite beer that I've brewed.  It is really smooth, with a light roast taste that blends well with the hops. It has a big hop boquet and flavor, but isn't super bitter. The bitterness seems to meld really well with the roast and malt flavors. 

Ingredients:
10.0 lb American 2-row
1.5 lb Carafa Special® TYPE II
1.0 lb German Light Munich
1.0 lb Crystal Malt 40°L
0.5 lb Chocolate Wheat Malt
0.5 lb BlackPrinz
1.0 oz Columbus (15.0%) - added during boil, boiled 35 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 35 min
0.5 oz Columbus (15.0%) - added during boil, boiled 10 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (8.5%) -added during boil, boiled 10 min
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) -added during boil, boiled 10 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 10 min
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) -steeped after boil
0.5 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - steeped after boil
0.5 oz Columbus (15.0%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.5 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
WYeast 1056 American Ale – prepared 1L starter

OG was 1.068 and FG was 1.015.
I did this as a single infusion mash at 151F for 60min and did a batch sparge.
Don't remember exactly what the fermentation temp was, but it was around 66F.
BeerTools estimates the IBU at 99.5 though I know this is high.
I will be brewing this again next weekend, but will bump the Carafa II to 2.0 lbs and will be using Midnight wheat instead of Chocolate Wheat.

[gordonstrong]

Alright, WTF is BlackPrinz?

(Nice Steven Wright quote.)

[beveragebob]

http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_BlackprinzMalt.pdf

[WDE97]

Alright, WTF is BlackPrinz?

(Nice Steven Wright quote.)

Glad you liked the quote. It's one of my favorites, and describes my attempts at fly fishing perfectly.   

bob, thanks for the link.  I originally stumbled across BlackPrinz at Midwestsupplies and thought I would try it.  I was looking for something to add that dark roast flavor and color to my CDA/BIPA without the harshness of Black Patent, etc.  I think it worked great and plan to keep using it. 

[tygo]

It's a Briess seasonal malt.  http://www.midwestsupplies.com/blackprinzr-malt-briess.html

Probably no longer available unless they come out with it again later this year.

[beersk]

Midwest is where I stumbled across BlackPrinz also.  It's a nice malt.  I used a whole pound in my India Black Ale.  But this thread is about black ale recipes, not the hoppy dark beer style (see thread title).

[gordonstrong]

Ah.  It's the Briess version of the Belgian debittered black malt.  Good to see there are other options.  It's often hard to find the Carafa special in all the grades.

Thanks.

I remember first seeing Steven Wright in Desperately Seeking Susan.  Hilarious deadpan cameo.

[beersk]

Ah.  It's the Briess version of the Belgian debittered black malt.  Good to see there are other options.  It's often hard to find the Carafa special in all the grades.

Thanks.

I remember first seeing Steven Wright in Desperately Seeking Susan.  Hilarious deadpan cameo.

Says it's discontinued now.  Damn it!

[WDE97]

Says it's discontinued now.  Damn it!
[/quote]

Where did you see that it's discontinued? That would be really disappointing.  Or is it just that this year's supply is gone?