AFAIAC, there is no reason a beer has to look like muddy water with gravy added to it. There are ways, as we all know, to clarify beer without filtering or fining. And for me, it doesn't have to be crystal clear...just not a glass of mud. He tried to make a point about how the haze contributes to mouthfeel, but as we all know you can get a great mouthfeel without having the beer look like that. If some people want to make beer that looks like that, and some people want to drink it, fine by me....but I won't be one of them. I'm tempted to call it lazy brewing (and not in a good way) but I think it's more of a fad, like Black IPA. And BTW, I've had Heady Topper...I was kinda "meh" about it. To me, the heavy proteins that caused the haze also muted the hop expression.