[fredthecat]

ok, and still on dry yeast. i just saw safale F-2 and was reminded of it and the CBC-1.
https://fermentis.com/en/product/safale-f-2/

anyone ever attempted to ferment a whole beer with it? it says it ferments maltose, glucose, fructose etc but not maltotriose

[beersk]

For a many lagers I use Diamond for a dry finish, if that is what I want for the style. If I want more malt character I go with S-189. I've split batches, and the difference is definitely there.

Diamond for a Pils. I liked S-189 for a Bock.

I sampled a traditional bock earlier today that I made with Diamond. It was 1.064 down to 1.012 and man that beer tastes intensely malty and awesome. I'd certainly use Diamond again for a bock.

[denny]

For a many lagers I use Diamond for a dry finish, if that is what I want for the style. If I want more malt character I go with S-189. I've split batches, and the difference is definitely there.

Diamond for a Pils. I liked S-189 for a Bock.

I sampled a traditional bock earlier today that I made with Diamond. It was 1.064 down to 1.012 and man that beer tastes intensely malty and awesome. I'd certainly use Diamond again for a bock.

And you can certainly do that.  My experience is that Diamond is great for those styles, but I find S189 even better.

[dmtaylor]

I'll be honest with you guys.  I just did my blind tasting of S-189 vs. Diamond, and.... I really just cannot tell these apart.  I thought maybe I could on the first sip, but after that, they really just tasted identical.  If anything, I found S-189 might have had more hop flavor, while Diamond tasted less hoppy but also more bitter... but this was like splitting hairs.  I really don't know if it was just my imagination.  I got the same attenuation and FG with both, so I'm almost thinking maybe... these are super closely related.

[denny]

I'll be honest with you guys.  I just did my blind tasting of S-189 vs. Diamond, and.... I really just cannot tell these apart.  I thought maybe I could on the first sip, but after that, they really just tasted identical.  If anything, I found S-189 might have had more hop flavor, while Diamond tasted less hoppy but also more bitter... but this was like splitting hairs.  I really don't know if it was just my imagination.  I got the same attenuation and FG with both, so I'm almost thinking maybe... these are super closely related.

I know they have different origins.  I assume you did a split batch?

[dmtaylor]

I'll be honest with you guys.  I just did my blind tasting of S-189 vs. Diamond, and.... I really just cannot tell these apart.  I thought maybe I could on the first sip, but after that, they really just tasted identical.  If anything, I found S-189 might have had more hop flavor, while Diamond tasted less hoppy but also more bitter... but this was like splitting hairs.  I really don't know if it was just my imagination.  I got the same attenuation and FG with both, so I'm almost thinking maybe... these are super closely related.

I know they have different origins.  I assume you did a split batch?

I thought so too.  Yes, it was a split batch specifically for this purpose.  Dunkel.  Quite tasty, both, and... I have no real preference either way.

[denny]

I'll be honest with you guys.  I just did my blind tasting of S-189 vs. Diamond, and.... I really just cannot tell these apart.  I thought maybe I could on the first sip, but after that, they really just tasted identical.  If anything, I found S-189 might have had more hop flavor, while Diamond tasted less hoppy but also more bitter... but this was like splitting hairs.  I really don't know if it was just my imagination.  I got the same attenuation and FG with both, so I'm almost thinking maybe... these are super closely related.

I know they have different origins.  I assume you did a split batch?

I thought so too.  Yes, it was a split batch specifically for this purpose.  Dunkel.  Quite tasty, both, and... I have no real preference either way.

Every time this situation comes up I'm reminded of what someone (Mark?) said aboutv there being a lot fewer differences between lager yeast than ale yeast. It was years ago when I split a batch of Ofest to compare them, but I recall being able to tell a difference.

[beersk]

I'll be honest with you guys.  I just did my blind tasting of S-189 vs. Diamond, and.... I really just cannot tell these apart.  I thought maybe I could on the first sip, but after that, they really just tasted identical.  If anything, I found S-189 might have had more hop flavor, while Diamond tasted less hoppy but also more bitter... but this was like splitting hairs.  I really don't know if it was just my imagination.  I got the same attenuation and FG with both, so I'm almost thinking maybe... these are super closely related.

I know they have different origins.  I assume you did a split batch?

I thought so too.  Yes, it was a split batch specifically for this purpose.  Dunkel.  Quite tasty, both, and... I have no real preference either way.

Every time this situation comes up I'm reminded of what someone (Mark?) said aboutv there being a lot fewer differences between lager yeast than ale yeast. It was years ago when I split a batch of Ofest to compare them, but I recall being able to tell a difference.

Hmm I can see that given that there are fewer esters produced when treated properly.

[Bel Air Brewing]

We can attest to differences in Diamond Lager vs. W-34/70.

Using the Diamond, we are much closer to getting that classic German Pils flavor profile....whatever that is.

The W-34/70 is a good, predictable yeast.

Here is my analogy:

34/70 will get you into the right church.

Diamond will have you seated in the correct pew.

[fredthecat]

just ordered two packs of k-97.

going to explain it to you simply.

[Oiscout]

just ordered two packs of k-97.

going to explain it to you simply.

Why would you do that to yourself??!!!!


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[fredthecat]

just ordered two packs of k-97.

going to explain it to you simply.

Why would you do that to yourself??!!!!

have you ever used k97?

i got good results from it


also, not my favourite site but:
https://brulosophy.com/2017/04/17/yeast-comparison-safale-us-05-american-ale-vs-safale-k-97-german-ale-exbeeriment-results/

[Oiscout]

Yes I hate it!


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[denny]

Yes I hate it!


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Same here.

[dmtaylor]

not my favourite site but:
https://brulosophy.com/2017/04/17/yeast-comparison-safale-us-05-american-ale-vs-safale-k-97-german-ale-exbeeriment-results/

Heh...

"7 tasters reported preferring the US-05 beer, 5 said they liked the K-97 beer more, and 3 had no preference...

"I was easily able to tell these beers apart just by appearance, as the beer fermented with US-05 was much clearer than the K-97 beer."

Yeah it's a yeasty mess, which some people don't mind, but 7 out of 12 don't prefer.